Born ‎18-7-1884 Dordrecht, Netherland, died ‎6- Sep 1944 Sobibor-Biala Podleska, Poland‎, 59 or 60 years. Daughter of Salomon van Gelder - Lion and Branco Bobbe - van Gelderen‏

Born ‎6- Jul 1882 Deventer, Netherland, died ‎26-10-1942 Auschwitz, Katowice, Poland‎, 59 or 60 years, ‎1st marriage to: Belia-Bela Velleman - Izaaks, ‎2nd marriage to: Betje van Gelder - Bobbe. Son of Abraham Salomon Noach/ Mogendorf and Sophia Berg/ Allema‏