Born ‎19-8-1891 Amsterdam, Netherland, died ‎27-10-1923 Amsterdam, Netherland‎, 31 or 32 years. Son of Emanuel Degen/ Lappema and Marianne de Vries/ Quiro‏

Born ‎12-2-1898 London, England, died ‎22-5-1985 The Hague, Netherland‎, 86 or 87 years, ‎1st marriage to: Simon Degen - de Vries, ‎2nd marriage to: Israel Velt - Fresco, ‎3rd marriage/ related to: Abraham Jonas Hakker - van Nerum. Daughter of Daniel Izak Rijnveld/ Davidso and Cato de Vries/ Quiro‏