Born ‎12-9-1851 Utrecht, Netherland, died ‎21-12-1917 Amsterdam, Netherland‎, 65 or 66 years. Son of Benjamin Samuel van Lier and Rachel Spinossa Catella‏

Born ‎16-2-1859 Amsterdam, Netherland, died ‎29-9-1933 Amsterdam, Netherland‎, 73 or 74 years. Daughter of Joel (Jacob) Abraham van Raalte/ van Praag and Femmie (Fanny) Elias Daniels/ van Raalt‏