Born ‎11-1-1865 Leeuwarden-Friesland, Netherland, died ‎13-1-1938 Groningen-Groningen, Netherland‎, 72 or 73 years. Daughter of Juda David de Metz/ Papie and Leentje (Lea) David Turksma/ Leijdesdorf‏

Born ‎11-5-1862 Groningen-Groningen, Netherland, died ‎28-5-1929 Groningen-Groningen, Netherland‎, 66 or 67 years. Occupation: Vet dealer, ‎1st marriage to: Rachel Topilowsky, ‎2nd marriage/ related to: Judik Juda de Metz/ Turksm. Son of Philip Lazarus van Gelder/ Abraham and Matta Karseboom/ Meijer-Kui‏