Born ‎6- sep 1916 Bangil, Indonesia, died ‎20-7-1963 Amersfoort, Netherland‎, 46 or 47 years

Born ‎20-10-1914 Amsterdam, Netherland, died ‎2- jan 1996 Amersfoort, Netherland‎, 81 or 82 years. Occupation: Butcher, bookbinder, ‎1st marriage/ related to: Flora Jacoba Kreefel, ‎2nd marriage/ related to: Adrienne van Beek. Son of Joseph van de Kar - Grootkerk and Betje Visser - Konstenaar‏