Born ‎4- mar 1916 Amsterdam, Netherland, died ‎1986 Veenendaal, Netherland‎, 69 or 70 years. Son of David Sousa - Pachter and Elisabeth Lobe - Hoop‏

Born ‎25-4-1918 Amsterdam, Netherland, died ‎29-11-1984 Amsterdam, Netherland‎, 65 or 66 years, ‎1st marriage/ related to: Simon Sousa/ Lob, ‎2nd marriage to: Willem van Rooijen - Lobe. Daughter of Philip Wagenhuis/ Mui and Christina Ensel/ Fransma‏